Content Note: This episode discusses suicide, addiction, abandonment, parental death, divorce, sexual trauma (related to our fathers), neglect, and complicated/disenfranchised grief. Please listen with care. Pause if needed.

If you’re in crisis (U.S.), call or text 988. Seek local emergency support if outside the U.S.

Shelley and Madeline discuss the emotional impact of recent shootings in the U.S., particularly focusing on the case of Alex Pretti.